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 Post subject: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:23 pm 
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Clan Ashigaru

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Thanks to EoW, scout deck get big boost, so I started test of this deck with my friend. Scouts big advantage is that almost all of them has useful battle ability. However, they are mostly naked 4F personalities, so the die fast and easily. Meeting yojimbos with their Melee-stronghold and lot of other kill actions is hard experience. If I do not have (new) sneak in 3rd turn attack I cannot take a province because one of 2 personalities is dead. Phoenix stronghold is even worse then Scorpion because with precision, their melee is 4 and still kills my guys. Gozu follower is the only attachment I play currently, and I find it as a very good shield (especially with ryoshun guidance).
How to protect personalities? What do you think of using vigilant riders and ashigaru recruits?


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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:56 pm 
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I don't know what to tell you at this point. I know I'm going to be toying with a couple of builds for both tactician and scout using attachments. Right now I'm looking at trying a follower theme using the ashigaru's and a theme using cheap items. I may post it in a few once I've sketched it out some.


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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:09 pm 
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two options:

1. run attachments. all of the problems you mentioned above are mitigated by having a follower attached. run low market if you want to make it even easier.

2. run more scouts than they can deal with. we have tons of boxable scouts. buy extra gold early (turns 1 and 2) and then flood the board with bodies. if you're trading bodies back and forth 1 for 1 you should win that war of attrition by virtue of sheer numbers.

actually option three exists too:
3. don't play scouts :P if you can't deal with your guys dying left and right, switch to paragons and pray inexorable doesn't make it into too many decks :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:25 pm 
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3. don't play scouts :P if you can't deal with your guys dying left and right, switch to paragons and pray inexorable doesn't make it into too many decks :lol:

I get bored with paragons = i get bored with having lot of negations to protect mostly blank personalities - EoW give paragons ... another blank, and one very expensive, but average cavalry daimyo. Fate is cool, but it ends fast (usually after one good battle), and then you do nothing. I would like to get back to deck where personalities actually do something – that’s why I took scouts for tests.


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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 2:54 am 
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Goblin Tactician wrote:
two options:

1. run attachments. all of the problems you mentioned above are mitigated by having a follower attached. run low market if you want to make it even easier.


So, it's something I thought about, but haven't done yet, but what about an Ashigaru/Scout Deck?...

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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 7:17 am 
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You can definitely play a deck where everyone has a Battle action, eg:

3x Tsukasa
3x Shinju
3x Yamahatsu
3x Tsuruchi Yashiro
3x Koyama
3x Arata
3x Kaido
1x Shika
etc

... which leaves bit more room in the fate for followers without battle actions. And there's a certain synergy between the Scouts' Ranged Attacks and the Paragons' and Kaido's force reduction.

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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 8:16 am 
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I've been testing EoW scouts lately using Nakanu technique, chugo seido and double guidance. Brother's in Battle has also been very helpful early to take a province and prevent their range 4s

I'm playing this deck very similar to how CC was played in Celestial. First few turns focus on getting a ton of gold for province clearing and At Any Cost. Focus heavily on getting into 4 personality battles.

Flooded Pass is a very strong action early game so you losing bodies early won't be an issue.

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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 9:44 am 
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Goblin Tactician wrote:
two options:

1. run attachments. all of the problems you mentioned above are mitigated by having a follower attached. run low market if you want to make it even easier.


I'd go for hiruma snipers, hiromi's vassals, village raiders, murderous thieves and ikoma house guard. Tsuruchi Daikyu and Warfans are always there too.


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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 3:01 pm 
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I'd go for hiruma snipers, hiromi's vassals, village raiders, murderous thieves and ikoma house guard. Tsuruchi Daikyu and Warfans are always there too.


don't forget village guardian, that cards is still beastly.

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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 4:32 am 
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i run the fans, ashigaru twins and its good enought. Maybe adding village guardian too, the card draw in that deck is insane.


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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Fri May 04, 2012 6:04 pm 
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lalo wrote:
i run the fans, ashigaru twins and its good enought. Maybe adding village guardian too, the card draw in that deck is insane.


It's an option, but I do prefer to pile battle actions on my items, leaving the draw engine on the box/holdings. But yep, guardians and fans are nice additions to any deck.


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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:46 pm 
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In Scouts, I am considering:

Satoshi's Dual Warfans
Flesh Cutter Arrows
Ashigaru Recruits
Gift Armor

The problem is that our scouts tend to be 4F, so the force on attachments will not especially matter in pushing them over province crushing strength. Thus, Gift Armor is only on the table because it's good at not getting broken.

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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:41 am 
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I have made a Tactiscout deck with proxies from the new set. Played it a few times and it is brutal so far in testing. Ill post it if anyones interested. It uses some attatchments and its quick...

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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 5:06 am 
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Sir Frank wrote:
I have made a Tactiscout deck with proxies from the new set. Played it a few times and it is brutal so far in testing. Ill post it if anyones interested. It uses some attatchments and its quick...

I'd like to see the deck.

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 Post subject: Re: How to protect Scouts?
 Post Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:38 pm 
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Akodo Jay wrote:
Sir Frank wrote:
I have made a Tactiscout deck with proxies from the new set. Played it a few times and it is brutal so far in testing. Ill post it if anyones interested. It uses some attatchments and its quick...

I'd like to see the deck.


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