The Swift Sword

Being a mod is like being a baby sitter for a bunch kids. Sometimes you have to let it work itself out or nip it in the bud fast. What happen most time you should have done the other. lol


Warseer is a Games Workshop's 40k fan forum. GW makes rule very vague so it tends to lead to heated discussions. It is funny sometimes to see intelligent people get mad over plastic army men or even getting mad about paper.

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We serve a Empress above all others.

Ahhh. Thanks!

Suddenly I feem kinda sheepish.... Baaaaaa.....

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North American Taisa of the White Lion

"I may die for my choice, but I shall die pure."

BAHAHAHAHA my work is done for now.

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We serve a Empress above all others.

Risking the Wrath of the Moderator, still I want to say the following:

First deck - ancestors - is a pure honor theme, and let him rest aside for a moment because of strange balance of honor/dishonor match. Two EE Lion decks are not honor-oriented at all (scouts and tacticians) - their honor gain can be averaged as 3 honor per turn (by buyng Personality with honor) - at best. Last decks - paragons - have a slightly better honor options, plus ability to produce honor during attack phase.

Dishonor decks have to be prepared to deal with high personal honor paragons-type decks (battle maidens, lions, perhaps crane magistrate). Easy 3 or 4 honor gain per turn (personality for full cost), plus some nice actions that give extra honor boost. All of this have to be coutered with cards that take honor and scale with personal honor of the victim (the higher they are, the harder they fall). It is all necessary for dishonor to be able to deal with such 'paragons'. As tools, dishonor would receive repeatable honor loss cards - like existing spell (forgot its name), or such holding.

And now substitute tacs or scouts for 'paragons'. Same PH, similar tempo of attack, but no other sources of honor gain... Bazinga!

I really do not know. how DT want to balance dishonor between those two extremes. Repeatable Dynasty side honor loss (for opponent ) is extreme advantage for any dishonor deck - I really cannot remember any such card that is not an auto-include. Holding that produces gold and has repeatable honor loss... Worse, loss that is keyed to personal honor! And is neither singular or unique... It is simply too much for balance to keep balanced.

I've been sketching Lion Paragons and Scorpion dishonor decks, and tbh I have no idea how these L.P. could win with these S.D...

As a side note - if you say 'holding is not rather not playabe against half of decks, then it would not be in played' about Den, don't say at the same time 'use anti-dishonor holdings'; they work sometimes against quarter of decks and are completely useless against rest.

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Matsu Semitaro
Lion Clan • Samurai • Grumble • Tempted • Loyal • Unique • Bounty Hunter • 1768 • 2067
Limited: Grumble. A lot.
Daughter of Heaven? I wonder what my granny thinks about it...

Anybody got a bead on what holding destruction cards are available in EE?

I ask, because I have a plan for dealing with the Slanderer + Den issue that hinges on seeing a holding destruction card (for Slanderer, not Den)

Essentially: seppuku dishonored people when possible, use Holding Destruction Card X to pop Slanderer if it gets played to prevent repeatable dishonoring.

In theory, you should be able to seppuku past the enemy's number of dishonor effects, getting tagged by 1 copy of Den 1 time if they pop a Saibankan's Justice on you in the process. After you've depleted their number of abilities to dishonor you, stroll in and punch their face in.

Granted, this is a rough sketch of a strategy, nothing definitive (and certainly it will never be that cut and dry), and I'm speaking from the standpoint of playing Kitsu Honor next arc, but if you're afraid of Den's potential 9 honor loss per turn, it's an option? Again, this is predicated on having a method to eliminate your opponent's reusable dishonor mechanisms (aka Slanderer.)

Economic Manipulation (requires 4 other more holdings)

And Ninja can destroy retainers. Question is if Corrupts, Explosives or Disaster are in reprint in EE. Doubt that seeing that Kolat card...

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Matsu Semitaro
Lion Clan • Samurai • Grumble • Tempted • Loyal • Unique • Bounty Hunter • 1768 • 2067
Limited: Grumble. A lot.
Daughter of Heaven? I wonder what my granny thinks about it...

At the moment? 0

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“We fight to preserve the culture of the Empire itself. Surviving without our culture, our laws, our tradition – that is no survival at all. An Empire that defeats its foes but has a creature like Jimen as its heart is no longer Rokugan.”

- Gobbo tainted Madness -

That'll work.
They'll start with 2, pick up two more turn 1-3ish, plus Slanderer=5 holdings.
Icky part is, it costs 4. But I can totally pack 2 as meta...

Not optimal, but functional.

Aaannnnnd completely useless in this instance.

Slanderer costs 6, beyond its window, and Den cannot be destroyed. Sucks, I know.

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North American Taisa of the White Lion

"I may die for my choice, but I shall die pure."

I forgot Asset Denial.

SO if you can play Ninjas in Liondecks...

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“We fight to preserve the culture of the Empire itself. Surviving without our culture, our laws, our tradition – that is no survival at all. An Empire that defeats its foes but has a creature like Jimen as its heart is no longer Rokugan.”

- Gobbo tainted Madness -

I can play the SPIRIT of Ninja...


How much jank?

It is time for another White (Matsu) Ninja!

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“We fight to preserve the culture of the Empire itself. Surviving without our culture, our laws, our tradition – that is no survival at all. An Empire that defeats its foes but has a creature like Jimen as its heart is no longer Rokugan.”

- Gobbo tainted Madness -

So, now with Kitsu Tamasine previewed, could someone please close this thread?

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I am not a fan of this topic, but why would Tamasine help Paragon Decks against Dishonor?

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“We fight to preserve the culture of the Empire itself. Surviving without our culture, our laws, our tradition – that is no survival at all. An Empire that defeats its foes but has a creature like Jimen as its heart is no longer Rokugan.”

- Gobbo tainted Madness -

Paragons don't need help against dishonor.

Anyway, I don't want to fuel this thread any more. So please, let us end it here and now.

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