The Swift Sword

Came up during a game earlier:

Jahan specifically says "While Jahan is at the current battlefield, other players may not play Terrains"

The Golden Plains says "After engaging: You have Reconnaissance at the current battlefield. Creat a Terrain Strategy with the ability, etcetc"

Jahan says you can't play Terrains, but TGP creates a terrain. Does the Terrain still go through, as you're not playing it but creating it? Or does Jahan block it?

I suppose the question in it's simplest form is: Is creating a card the same as playing it?

No, creating a card is not "playing" it.

However, putting it into play *is* playing it, and Jahan won't let you do that.

Note further, that the Good Faith Rule says:
If the action involves putting one or more cards into play as a non-optional effect, the player must be able to meet all costs and requirements to bring those cards into play legally, in order to meet the Good Faith rule.

Since putting the newly created Terrain into play is a non-optional effect of The Golden Plains' action (underlined below), and Jahan stops you playing Terrains, you may not announce The Golden Plains' action:
Recon Reaction: After engaging: You have Reconnaissance at the current battlefield. Create a Terrain Strategy with the ability, "Battle: If this card is in play, destroy it and target a Terrain in your hand: Take an additional Battle action to play it." Put it into play there.

Alex

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Thanks for the answer. That's what we thought but I figured I'd ask anyway.

As for the Battle ability of the terrain created, we figured that wouldn't work due to Jahan stopping playing terrains and the Battle ability saying specifically to play it.

Ugh. I knew that Jahan would stop The Golden Plains from creating a Terrain, but I didn't realize he stops The Golden Plains from even taking the action to create the Terrain. That's harsh, because the Terrain is only half of the benefit of using The Golden Plains in a Scout-centered deck; you'd also gain Reconnaisance. Now, Reconaissance isn't required for the Lion Scouts to take their printed actions, but it is required for a few of the more powerful Strategies that could be played in that deck.

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I am proud to be a Black Lion. One of many...

What am I playing now? [still in development]

So, to be clear, another player's 'restriction' card effect counts as 'a cost or requirement' that prevents an action from being announced?
How come Peace and other card search effects get a specific exception?
Limited: Search your Dynasty deck for a non-Unique Holding. Bring it into play (bowed), paying all costs.


What if there is a legal card left to play but the player has no unbowed gold and no 0 cost holdings?


Wouldn't choosing to have the search fail make announcing peace violate the good faith rule, since it involves putting a card into play as a non-optional effect? Wouldn't failure to put the holding searched for by peace into play (due to inability to pay, other player's card effect (bad kharma a one koku), whatever) be a violation of good faith?

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Straw Dog * The Dude Abides

Under discussion!

Alex

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L5R Rules Team