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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:17 pm 
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How is 4 force and a bow without attachments for 6 gold so incredible that it needs to give my opponent an extra card, and effectively a larger max hand, every turn?

Brash is without a doubt the worst costed trait I've ever seen in L5R.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:06 pm 
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But brash only happens when you assign to attack. If i'm wrong please correct me but an early attack and you move him to the battle some how wont give your opponent any cards and you now have a four force body at the fight. Im not saying he's a good personality but he isnt as terrible as he looks.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:35 am 
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fine...it only triggers when you assign...so if you don't assign then you are ditching a two cards to move in unopposed (a brave new world + an extra card) or one card to move into an opposed battle still giving your opponent a card advantage. Right? Now you are one less card down when dealing with an opponents send home thus possibly preventing you from using your recurssion on a good peep.


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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:56 am 
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Matsu Jonen wrote:
But brash only happens when you assign to attack. If i'm wrong please correct me but an early attack and you move him to the battle some how wont give your opponent any cards and you now have a four force body at the fight. Im not saying he's a good personality but he isnt as terrible as he looks.

Yes, he is just as terrible as he looks. To always have to use an outside effect to move him into battles costs you either a fate card from hand or the once per turn use of an action on a card in play which effectively gives your opponent the same card advantage you'd give them by assigning him in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:24 am 
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If you move him, yes your opponent dont draw. But it costed you 1 card to move him. A card that you dont use for a Battle action. That's pretty much the same as offering a card to your opponent: he just have one less different card but you lose tempo, and the card difference is still +1 for him

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:40 pm 
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Scouts often remove presence before your opponent gets to empty their hand anyways. Giving them an extra card isn't the end of the world. Still not very good. Will cause you some huge pains against honor/dishonor by giving them extra cards which moves their clock along faster.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 6:34 pm 
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Ikoma Cooper wrote:
Scouts often remove presence before your opponent gets to empty their hand anyways. Giving them an extra card isn't the end of the world. Still not very good. Will cause you some huge pains against honor/dishonor by giving them extra cards which moves their clock along faster.

If he had a send home or a kill action printed then I'd be more inclined to play him as the extra card might be less important but a bow does not remove presence.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:31 pm 
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the reason this guy is bad isn't because he's brash, that's the just tipping point. if you look at a very similar person: tsukasa it becomes obvious that his stats and ability aren't powerful enough to offset the disadvantage of brash. tsukasa has slightly better stats (1 more chi) and a significantly better ability and only costs one more gold. one gold cheaper isn't worth giving your opponent cards. some of the brash/overconfident people actually might be playable, (in particular the free crane) but the only way i could see this guy being played is as a defender.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:15 pm 
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I'm not defending him...

but I can see him in TMF Ball Room Blitz, turn 1 if you have One Koku, empty him, gohei, or shika and then swing, and burn the towers, or any force pump at all. buy maybe a small farm, and then buy two 3G cost dudes next turn. Like Gozu or Qalyar.

I'm not saying it'll work, I'm just saying that if the game ends in 4 turns, and you outnumber your opponent 4 to 1, I don't think that extra card will save him.

BUT! in light of the two new terrain in this set, the one that stops destruction and the one that redirects I think our Mid-Game Scoutician Deck out of TMF might actaully become better then our standard bread and butter blitz.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:58 am 
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I have to burn myself to see how bad is brash on this guy. I'll give him a chance, after all this is 4F for 6G with ability and potential to be targeted last ;) Plus, as Cooper-sama mentioned, in most scout battles my opponend ends with full hand and no army, so what the heck.

Giving cards to dishonor is not as bad as it seems. Opponent still needs to play all those "bow your courtier" cards, and with enough tempo - not a chance.

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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:57 pm 
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Pride of the Hand seems like 4 force for 5 gold most of the time. Whatever deck you decide to build we have better options than this guy. I'm ok with them overpricing brash before they get a full handle on how they should be priced but it doesn't mean we have to find a way to play him.


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 Post subject: Re: Lion Clan Personality: Ikoma Masumi
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:45 pm 
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Christy wrote:
Pride of the Hand seems like 4 force for 5 gold most of the time. Whatever deck you decide to build we have better options than this guy. I'm ok with them overpricing brash before they get a full handle on how they should be priced but it doesn't mean we have to find a way to play him.


Pride ends up being 4F for 3G because you'll never buy him for full since he has zero HR and zero PH.

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