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 Post subject: Re: WAT
 Post Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:44 am 
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Kakita Dare wrote:
Pre-emptive if you don't like the rules, change the damn rules yourself then for anyone who jumps on that.


Dude, you know very well nobody actually plays the L5R RPG. 99% of people just buy the books to have something to complain about in minutia on Internet Forums - like Battletech. ;)

- Marty Lund

* The remaining 1% buy the books to try and twink home-brew characters in hopes of another Winter Court or L5R LARP at a convention.


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Guess I was being too nice. STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS NOW.

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Kakita Dare wrote:
So is the Lion boards topsy turvy land or something?

jaku thinks he has a relevent opinion on anything, Domotai is in CHARGE, and Rusty is a MEAN NASTY BULLY MAN (I don't even).
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Wow, now Im getting personally attacked by someone I don't even know. Glad to know I've made an impression on so many lives! :P

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Simply because someone has to say it:

In before the lock! :ninja:

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Daidoji Ryushi wrote:
Simply because someone has to say it:

In before the lock! :ninja:


Gorram sneaky Crane Harriers ... :rant:

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Oh and so barely! Hah!

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*cracks knuckles* Just one last time, I'd like to draw attention to this thread. It is not my intention to single out any individual, but to draw attention to particular facets that demonstrate what we would like to avoid in the future.

Early in the thread, this was said.

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We complained because we felt mistreated by AEG during the great decline from the days of early Diamond. Whether that was in the mind of every individual or not, that was how the community behaved.


It's a somewhat reasonable statement. It offers an observation. It leaves an out for instances of exceptions. On the other hand, it is worded as a factual statement rather than an opinion, which was a little misleading. It definitely could have been worded better. It isn't exactly the most likely topic to keep things calm. However, the reason I bring it up is the detail is that it offered a specific time frame that was limited to the 2004-2005 period.

What followed was a single generalization that was only tangentially related in the fact that it mentioned a nebulous version of the above mentioned dissatisfaction with implications that should have separated it from the source. The misleading use of the word "historically" didn't help. After that was four pages of posts that contained diminishing amounts of respect. You got snookered. A four page flame war erupted out of a single post that wasn't actually a connected response to the previous post.

A couple voices chimed in and tried to steer the thread back towards reasonable civility and I sincerely wish they had been heeded.

A few things to keep in mind.

Facts are facts.
Opinions are opinions.
Perceptions and observations are really opinions that can support facts, but do not themselves concretely establish facts other than the fact that they were observed. (i.e. "The barn is red" is not actually proven by observing one red wall of a building.)
When one is stated as the other, it's not unreasonable to expect that it will be treated as either when one is easier to refute than the other.
Facts don't effectively refute opinions, but offer support to contrary opinions.
When possible, treating each as the appropriate type can go a long way towards avoiding unnecessary conflict.

AEG is not "out to get" any portion of the player base.
AEG is not intentionally neglecting any clan or its players, nor intentionally slighting them.
A player can be dissatisfied in spite of AEG's best efforts to avoid such.

A lot of posts that touch on these end up as unconstructive rants, and that's also something I'd like to avoid if possible.

Please keep the word "Respect" in mind while you're here, folks.

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