The Swift Sword

I'd like to consider something from someone who was directly involved in such matters as story telling you that you're wrong a pretty solid fact.

But maybe I'm wrong.

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Lion Clan • Kolat • Pimp • Tactician • Revolutionary • Brother • Unique
Tactical Battle: Pimpslap the opposing enemy leader: Gain 2 honor. Take control of one of his female personalities until the end of the game. Permanently give that personality the Ho trait.

It is my Imperial duty to please that booty.

I would call it a big mistake not ill-treatment.
But I am sure that AkodoArosu (Worthy) felt ill-treated and I would not call him wrong.

Nor would I call spookyelectric wrong.

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I'm not being told that I'm wrong about some detail, such as the date on which a fiction was published, or the characters in it.

I'm being told that it is illegitimate to think that AEG has mistreated any group of fans - in other words, that the company is always right.

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A samurai's greatest strength is not what he is,
but what he can be. - Akodo

Ah, I see where you are coming from now. I took Rusty's comments with the assumption that "ill-treated" meant that people were treated with ill intent rather than simply given unintentionally "bad" results. The former is not really a matter for debate. The latter is a matter of personal opinion.

Normally when someone says that someone else has "mistreated" them or something to that effect people are implying or inferring a "deliberately" in there.

- Marty Lund

Being told that you're wrong about thinking that the company has it in for, has mistreated or has otherwise purposefully dicked Lion by someone no longer involved with the company but that was once in a pretty damn good position to know about these things does not automatically mean that "the company is always right."

But hey, if a self-righteous and self-serving distortion of what the facts are floats your boat, by all means, get to rowing brother.

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Lion Clan • Kolat • Pimp • Tactician • Revolutionary • Brother • Unique
Tactical Battle: Pimpslap the opposing enemy leader: Gain 2 honor. Take control of one of his female personalities until the end of the game. Permanently give that personality the Ho trait.

It is my Imperial duty to please that booty.

Thank`s for the clarification. I also misunderstood the post.
So I think it is time for an apologize:
Sorry Rusty.

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“We fight to preserve the culture of the Empire itself. Surviving without our culture, our laws, our tradition – that is no survival at all. An Empire that defeats its foes but has a creature like Jimen as its heart is no longer Rokugan.”

- Gobbo tainted Madness -

I think you're putting forward a generous interpretation.



It's possible that Rusty meant to insert "intentionally" - if he did, he should apologize and clarify.

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A samurai's greatest strength is not what he is,
but what he can be. - Akodo

I think it would benefit the board as a whole if we ALL regarded each other's posts with a general spirit of charity until circumstances dictate otherwise.

- Marty Lund

I'm sorry, I've been away from L5R for a while and need to double check something. I want to see if this time line is correct...

- People say stuff about AEG badding on the Lion in the story
- A wild Rusty appears and says that anyone who thinks the Lion Clan are being ill-treated, supported less, or have bad things done to them by AEG is wrong in their opinion.
- You call Rusty a bully <-- This part is important!
- Other people say some stuff.
- You say that Rusty should clarify and needs to apologize.

Is this pretty much correct?

I've known Rusty for a few years, and I would never use the word "Bully" to describe him. Someone, however, who attacks him, calls him names, and says that he needs to apologize to a community at large for what a company he no longer works for does to fictional characters in a fictional world... well... the word seems to fit a little bit better there, don't you think?

The same could be said of yours. Just because you may not like the way the Lion have been treated in story recently, does not mean that others always agree. If you've looked at the history of the game, every clan has had it rough at some point. I personally like the fact that this isn't Legend of the five Lions. Majorities don't make opinions fact no matter how hard you want them to be.



Really? You basically indirectly accused him and other members of the ST of mistreatment, dicking, and other more flavorful negatives other posters have come up with concerning the Lion. Defending his professional integrity is not a "customer is always right" scenario, nor should it require an apology.

So is the Lion boards topsy turvy land or something?

jaku thinks he has a relevent opinion on anything, Domotai is in CHARGE, and Rusty is a MEAN NASTY BULLY MAN (I don't even).

There are some good positive community members on here. Some I don't particularly agree with their opinions (and most don't know me too well I assume ), but at least they're not complete morons. But it seems the r-tards are becoming far more prominent as the "better" community members see this board more as a joke than ever.


When my facebook feed has posts about the goings on here every single day, none of them complimentary, you know SOMETHING is going wrong. Last time that happened was the Scorpion site that wasn't Dojo of Lies or Kuroban. Look what happened to that.

Incidentally an (ex) member of the story team telling you AEG aren't victimising your clan isn't bullying. What a freaking ridiculous victim complex you must have. You could rival Kentei for that if you continue down that line.

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Sigh.

One party says, "You handed us the @#$% end of the stick."

The other party says, "You're wrong, because I tried my best to treat everybody well."

Ships passing in the night, y'all.

- Marty Lund

People who care that much about the story should be playing the RPG anyway, that way they can portray the Lion the way they want if they think AEG have treated them so badly. They're just stories. The fact that people can even get offended by someone who isn't related to them not being portrayed the exact way they decide is correct is basically as ridiculous as anyone who thinks Natalie Portman ISN'T the hottest actress in the history of forever.

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Oh great, as if this wasn't bad enough cue L5R RPG rules system complaints in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... and boom goes the dynamite.



Wait, is that a SHINY Rusty or just a regular one? Does it have a gentle nature? I need to know whether this is worth spending a Master Ball on.

- Marty Lund

Pre-emptive if you don't like the rules, change the damn rules yourself then for anyone who jumps on that.

Seriously, people who claim to be the story buffs are the biggest whiners around L5R forums (mostly, exceptions exist etc). Since they spend 90% of the time complaining, they either don't LIKE the story, in which case they should quit caring so much, or they think that their vision is better, in which case why don't they offer examples to AEG to apply for story team?

But what REALLY happens is AEG give people far more free content than a company their size has any need to, and people bitch that the free stuff they're getting (weekly stories for example) isn't good enough for them. To those people I say piss off and PAY for quality stories instead.




But in keeping with talking about the PEOPLE around here, those idiots who think that Rusty's post was in anyway close to "bullying", or that he is even close to a bully, would probably be better off if they shot themselves to help out the gene pool. Jaku do it twice please

This is a pretty solid example of personal attacks. There is a disagreement to express, but there are probably better ways to go about expressing it. -Dom

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