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Post subject: Re: WAT  Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:06 pm |
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Quote: on a more serious note, i know domotai thinks it's fair that complains about him being the new admin are allowed to be voiced. however, let's keep this thread to supporting or opposing him being the admin, and leave out the personal attacks. I know this wasnt purposely directed at me, however I do feel the need to reiterate that I pointed out that I have no issues with Dan as a person. I dont even directly 'oppose' him being Admin, although 'apprehensive' is a pretty fair term to use.
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Goblin Tactician
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:14 pm |
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Quote: I know this wasnt purposely directed at me, however I do feel the need to reiterate that I pointed out that I have no issues with Dan as a person. I dont even directly 'oppose' him being Admin, although 'apprehensive' is a pretty fair term to use. i'm sorry, my phrasing wasn't entirely clear. i was referring to "personal attacks" on other posters (more in the vein of the thing i quoted). i feel like it's hard to really criticize a specific person without specifically targeting them, which is sorta the point of this thread. to be clear, i don't think any of your posts fox, are at all out of line for this thread. (other threads in the future, possibly not so much  ) _________________  RUN KEPPO IN YOUR SCOUT DECK!
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akodo jaku
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:21 pm |
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Kolb wrote: Umm, just because you argue with the guy and now are backing him does not make him a good choice, Hell I would go as far as saying anyone you backed would be a terrible choice. The facts are he spoiled information and he whines all the time that makes him a whiny extremist and someone who isn't smart enough to follow company policy. The information he spoiled was a vague description about a personality that had not yet been previewed. Its not like he posted a scan of the personality, or gave an indepth analysis of them. Regardless, just as my opinion doesn't make hima good choice, your opinion, or the fact that he had a one time lapse in judgement, does not make him a bad one. Letting a small description slip in the middle of a heated discussion doesn't make him stupid. It makes him human. Being a "whiny extremist" would have been blasting AEG on every board he could sign in on, railing against the banning. He has handled it like a gentleman. mlund wrote: The primary point of negativity that needs to be addressed on the board are personal attacks. Having a negative opinion of products, stories, and systems (negativity) is an entirely different kettle of fish than spending one's time crapping on those you disagree with (ad hominem attacks).
Yes, in some places the former is condemned and the latter is condoned as long as it supports curbing the former.
This should not be one of those places.
- Marty Lund QFT. While I have not always stuck to the former, I'll try to in the future. The latter is the basis for every productive discussion on any board, differing view points being expressed about a particular item or idea. Isn't that the entire point here? _________________ North American Taisa of the White Lion
"I may die for my choice, but I shall die pure."
 
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:32 pm |
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Just picking up on a certain point (keeping in mind that I am no longer on the Story Team)...
Anyone who thinks that the Lion (or any other clan) is being ill-treated by AEG: you are wrong.
Anyone who thinks that the Lion (or any other clan) are supported less than any other clan: you are wrong.
Anyone who thinks bad things happening to the Lion (or any other clan) in story is a sign of ill-treatment or a lack of support: you are ridiculously wrong.
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akodo jaku
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:56 pm |
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rpriske wrote: Just picking up on a certain point (keeping in mind that I am no longer on the Story Team)...
Anyone who thinks that the Lion (or any other clan) is being ill-treated by AEG: you are wrong.
Anyone who thinks that the Lion (or any other clan) are supported less than any other clan: you are wrong.
Anyone who thinks bad things happening to the Lion (or any other clan) in story is a sign of ill-treatment or a lack of support: you are ridiculously wrong. I don't think any of us feel that way, and thats not what my earlier post was meant as. What I was saying is that when things like those I mentioned happen, of course we tend to discuss them in a negative light. Its not that we, or at least I, think or feel that we are being piled on more, but that when bad things happen to us, we will respond with negative feelings. Thats the same for any clan in my opinion. I mean, if your car dies, you get upset, you know? AEG does go out of their way to try to balance things, but there will always be one side that is happy with the outcome, and one that isnt. The nature of war, and all that. _________________ North American Taisa of the White Lion
"I may die for my choice, but I shall die pure."
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:21 pm |
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rpriske wrote: Just picking up on a certain point (keeping in mind that I am no longer on the Story Team)...
Anyone who thinks that the Lion (or any other clan) is being ill-treated by AEG: you are wrong.
Anyone who thinks that the Lion (or any other clan) are supported less than any other clan: you are wrong.
Anyone who thinks bad things happening to the Lion (or any other clan) in story is a sign of ill-treatment or a lack of support: you are ridiculously wrong. I think story team hates us because they do not give us more Ikoma Tsukasa stories other than that they keep us on our toes. _________________ We serve a Empress above all others. Ryan wrote: Yes, it was a proud moment of cooperation within the lion clan. Why fight amongst ourselves when we can march together, each toward our goals! 
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:38 pm |
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akodo jaku wrote: I mean, if your car dies, you don't praise the manufacturer, you see? The problem with that comparison, at least as far as stories go, is that you didn't buy your car to produce entertaining drama (or at least diversionary angst)*. When bad things happen to your car it hinders its function and your quality of life. When bad things happen to your favorite fictional characters it may or may not be entertainment you enjoy. Past that, there's a wide gulf between putting someone's motivation in question ("They don't like it." / "They don't care enough about it.") and being dissatisfied with the actions someone takes ("I don't like that result." / "I don't like the direction this is going."). While ill-motives can have a causal connection to bad results, it certainly isn't a dependency. Never ascribe to malice what can be reasonably attributed to simple disagreement. ** - Marty Lund * OK, people who buy cars to restore them are paying for the entertainment (and probably a heaping helping of drama and angst too).** Except when dealing with Spider Clan characters ... and members of the Moto Family ... and the Tsuruchi (their whole family was conceived from nothing but sin and betrayal) ... oh and the Dragonfly ... ... ...
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:50 pm |
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mlund wrote: akodo jaku wrote: I mean, if your car dies, you don't praise the manufacturer, you see? The problem with that comparison, at least as far as stories go, is that you didn't buy your car to produce entertaining drama (or at least diversionary angst)*. When bad things happen to your car it hinders its function and your quality of life. When bad things happen to your favorite fictional characters it may or may not be entertainment you enjoy. Past that, there's a wide gulf between putting someone's motivation in question ("They don't like it." / "They don't care enough about it.") and being dissatisfied with the actions someone takes ("I don't like that result." / "I don't like the direction this is going."). While ill-motives can have a causal connection to bad results, it certainly isn't a dependency. Never ascribe to malice what can be reasonably attributed to simple disagreement. ** - Marty Lund * OK, people who buy cars to restore them are paying for the entertainment (and probably a heaping helping of drama and angst too).** Except when dealing with Spider Clan characters ... and members of the Moto Family ... and the Tsuruchi (their whole family was conceived from nothing but sin and betrayal) ... oh and the Dragonfly ... ... ... I think thats pretty close to what I was thinking... Marty just writes better than me. Maybe I spend too much time working on my car?  _________________ North American Taisa of the White Lion
"I may die for my choice, but I shall die pure."
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akodo tenrou
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:04 pm |
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Rusty, I do not think that many people consider themselves ill treated here by the ST. And if So they are definitely wrong you're right. On the other hand, if Shawn think that we don't care what it's to be with the resurgence of the Lion/Unicorn conflict... You are wrong If anyone rhinking that we of the Lion clan CAN let one of our Champion Die not allowing him a Death Battle Cry (even if he died offscreen) you are wrong. If you think that the people of the Lion forgot what it means to be Proud (1 dis advantage point in L5R CCG 1st & 2nd ed. For Lions ^^), you're still wrong. And now for fun sake, and while it is still a Game, if some of us feel the urge to feel a grudge against the ending of this story, that's thé proof they liked it and Need to give it some extra Life I milit for the Lion/Unicorn feud to continue. While I am more than happy with what the ST make with my clan! I'm just trying by some means to influence the story of "our clan, our story" Many here may have bad words to express it but I think they feel the same and just want more and more Lion's story _________________ Soul of Kitsu Motso French Lion Board: The Lion's PrideKuronada's Destiny winner Paris's Level 20 store winner Multiple French Kotei top8/4
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:13 pm |
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There are legitimate gripes about the way that some story prizes have been... audjudicated. Rusty is well aware of these, but clearly has no interest in discussing the matter further. I respect his wishes, but not his attempt to bully other fans into silence on the matter.
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:20 pm |
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Ikoma Atari wrote: There are legitimate gripes about the way that some story prizes have been... audjudicated. Rusty is well aware of these, but clearly has no interest in discussing the matter further. I respect his wishes, but not his attempt to bully other fans into silence on the matter. I see absolutely no evidence the Rusty tried to bully anyone. New rules for this forum will be forthcoming very soon but in the mean time a policy of not attacking people would serve all of us very well. If you disagree with an idea argue on that basis. Otherwise...
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:53 pm |
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Alright Ken. I disagree with telling anyone who thinks such-and-such a thing that they are wrong, with no argument offered. Hammering the point three times, to me, is bullying.
What do you call it?
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:00 pm |
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Ikoma Atari wrote: Alright Ken. I disagree with telling anyone who thinks such-and-such a thing that they are wrong, with no argument offered. Hammering the point three times, to me, is bullying.
What do you call it? Facts
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akodo jaku
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:05 pm |
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Ikoma Atari wrote: Alright Ken. I disagree with telling anyone who thinks such-and-such a thing that they are wrong, with no argument offered. Hammering the point three times, to me, is bullying.
What do you call it? Expressing an opinion. _________________ North American Taisa of the White Lion
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Post subject: Re: WAT Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:20 pm |
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akodo jaku wrote: Ikoma Atari wrote: Alright Ken. I disagree with telling anyone who thinks such-and-such a thing that they are wrong, with no argument offered. Hammering the point three times, to me, is bullying.
What do you call it? Expressing an opinion.  Yeah, sure. But that's a dangerous path to walk for forum rules, don't you think?
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